Well, today’s post should be a quick one, and a bitchy one. I am dedicating this entire post to Tyler Cruz and domains, so enjoy it.
I’ll begin by providing some recent hate Tyler has been receiving from others…
- Vince (MyHateBlog): Arrogance Defined.
- Meghan Schmuck (BobSchmuck): The Douchebag That Is Tyler Cruz.
- Oridian (PublisherForums): Basically Tyler trying to bash an ad network, but having the entire plan backfire on him. In one comment he states he’ll be giving a bad review on his website, PublisherSpot, here.
- All over Chatwebdev’s IRC channel, around 90% laugh and hate Tyler in #chatwebdev. In fact, there was a tag - !modulus (tyler’s IRC name) - that when called on outputted “gay pr*ck”.
Alright, these are just four things, and sure … everyone is hated on at some point or another in their life. But I’m here to add a #5 to the recent list. My respect for Tyler has gone down the hill faster than an an avalanche. Now, I simply don’t like Tyler. But that’s me, and I won’t create another post bashing the guy, rather I’ll bash a snipped of advice from a recent post on his blog.
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Personally, I think anything other than .com, .net, and .org is pretty much worthless. And I’m not exagerrating. I’d say everything else to be worth roughly around 1% the amount of the .com. So, if CLOTHES.com is worth $500,000, then CLOTHES.US or CLOTHES.INFO world be worth more like $5,000… and that’s still being extremely generous!
My point? Don’t waste your time getting anything other than .com, .net, or .org. Any other extention sucks.
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Being in the domain industry for several years, this is probably the worst advice I’ve ever seen given to users / readers. Especially the last statement, “Any other extention sucks.” (its extension, tyler.) This is simply an irrational thing to say, with no thought, and no creativity induced whatsoever. After I read this, I realized what Tyler Cruz is … Uncreative. Its simple as that.
I’m now personally giving all of my readers domaining advice. Every extension has potential. No extension is entirely worthless. Obviously, there are many cases where they are … because of beginners attempting to sell low quality keywords paired with third world TLD’s and undeveloped sites. But that’s not the point. If you’re creative enough, your possibilities are endless - and all the same whether you own the .COM or the .MS domain. If you’re after selling your domain name, then sure, the .com will be the most valuable in most instances, but trying to put down extensions past .COM, .NET, and .ORG is senseless, because .BIZ, .INFO, .US, .EU, .IN, .IM, .SC, .AT, .PL, .CO.UK, .NO (et cetera, et cetera…) all sell well too. They’re all bursting with potential, you just have to be creative enough.
Let’s analyze the market of one TLD Tyler Cruz would call ‘bad’ and ‘useless’ - dot US. The .US extension was developed in 1985 as a ccTLD (country-code-top-level-domain). Sources show that after the .US sunrise period, on August 30th 2002, an average of 1,000 new .US domains were registered per day. Over 331,000 .US domains were registered from August 11th 2002 through January 1st 2003. There have been .US domains that have sold for a price range up to $100,000 USD. And, you’re saying its worthless, Tyler?
Then you take a look at creative people. Take Joshua Schachter (founder of Del.icio.us), for example. This is one of the web’s hottest, most popular 2.0 startups. What’s the TLD? Not .com, not .net, not .org … .US! This domain would barely have value if it were .com, compared to .us… Think about it, del.icio.com? icio.com? Other than it being a decent LLLL.com - Its incomparable to the tyler-acclaimed worthless ccTLD.
I’d expect someone like him to argue this as “oh, but this is a special instance!”, and I’d just have one word to say back. “No”. Its not a special instance, anyone could have thought this project up, and many have - just not in the same way.
Think about what Tyler is saying, he’s also saying that mega million TLD’s such as dot TV (.tv) are worthless too? Now I’m sure if you know a little something about domains you’d stop right there and say to yourself … “bullshit”. Yet, Tyler, with his 345 loyal feed readers and many many blog readers gives the worst advice in the world - “Any other extention sucks.” - because he brokered a domain or two.
I’m here proving what he’s saying is totally wrong, and that if you’re a reader of his blog you may want to consider anything he says before taking it in deeply, because Tyler is overall a very uncreative person who can sometimes give the like in advice.
And I wanted to link exchange with him … hah!
That’s all for now folks, stay tuned for some good news coming up.
Some good points. I also think Tyler should read this: http://www.dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm
From time to time, they will have some good names up there with non-.com, .net, or .org names. For instance, they have .gr, .co.uk, .mobi up there now, and I’m sure there has been others there before.
Expect nothing less from this moron. His credibility is gradually declining, and his so called “advice” and “information” for newcomers is just disturbing.
It makes me laugh that people actually look up to this asshat.
Nice one there, who is the ass hat I didnt quite understand?
To be honest I agree with this Tyler. Think about it, del.icio.us is only worth money because of the site behind it. Lets say I owned these to domains (undeveloped).
Delicious.com
Del.icio.us
.com is worth so much more.
Great reading. I dont understand why people read his blog? Oh well, im adding your rss to my google reader
Wow, I always had respect for Tyler but now I’m really shocked.
Proudness kills creativity.
Thanks Jon.
Kewl - The domain is ‘icio.tld’, not delicious.tld. As stated in my post, it would simply be ‘icio.com’ and not ‘delicious.com’.
And just keep in mind, this is mostly opinion and some fact, so if you love Tyler you’ve got the right to follow him.
Have you noticed that in the video at http://www.tylercruz.com/?p=237 he has his microwave above his ’self-cleaning oven and cooker’. Will the microwave not melt when he cooks stuff on the hobs?
Anyway, I think you are totally right. In the UK for instance .CO.UK is probably the most important TLD after .COM especially amongst the ‘non-websavvy’.
‘del.icio.us’ is genious and to be honest I don’t think it would have done any where near as well (as a domain name, not a service) had it just been delicious.com as del.icio.us is more memorable (and fun!)
Anyway, just a couple of thoughts from me…
As Tyler said, del.icio.us is worth what it is because of the site behind it. He even mentioned del.icio.us specifically and you’re using it against him.
“5. But… his domain is worth a lot!
Many people will see a site such as… Google, del.icio.us, or YouTube.com and think “Ahh, those sites are huge and have interesting domains. I think I’ll make a similar domain and sell it!”. They’re missing the point that it wasn’t the domains that made the sites popular but the actual site itself.
Thus, registering similar domains such as “Gooogalle.net, h.umungo.us, or WeVideos.com” doesn’t mean they’re automatically worth more than crap.”
Tyler - And that’s exactly what I say, you have to be creative enough to pull something like that off. Just think about it, if Joshua Schachter decided to buy “del.icio.com” it would make no sense, and there would be no development or brand behind it.
Tyler is saying that all other TLD’s are useless, well, he’s saying del.icio.us is useless because its using the .US ccTLD (useless, right?). Even though he may think the site and brand behind it is nowhere near useless, without the domain there would be no site, nor brand.
Personally I am not interested in the selling of domain names or ‘premium domain names’ as I’m not really interested in making money. What I do like however is a brandable and memorable domain name.
In some instances TLDs such as .com are all that are reasonable. For instance you would presume the Nike website would be nike.com and not nike.info (although this is obvious as it is not an information site but that of a company).
IMO if your product or company is available offline, in the ‘real world’ with ‘real’ advertising on billboards etc. then a .COM domain is almost certainly essential because, as I mentioned earlier, the non-websavvy will not look any further than .COM (or .CO.UK in the UK). Some internet users still do not know how to use a search engine and rely only on URLs they have been given or have seen, links from associated sites, and sheer guessing. A good example of this was that on Friday my not-so-good-on-computers father was looking for the website of ‘B&Q’ (a British DIY store). He presumed that their website would be b&q.com, it took him so long to figure out where the ampsand was on the keyboard I decided not to tell him they couldn’t be used in domain names. When later on I asked him whether he had got on the website he said that there website must be broken. He didn’t even consider that it may actually be another domain name.
Although the above example probably says more about my own father’s stupidity than good domain names it does point out that if you need to advertise a premium product a popular extension is almost certainly neccessary.
I do however agree that Tyler was foolish to dismiss ALL other extensions. Within the small amount of internet users who know about more than .coms lies a opportunity to establish a unique and brandable domain name from a more obscure extension. Although this wouldn’t work for companies such as Nike and B&Q it can easily work for a company/product with a user base of more experienced surfers such as the users of del.icio.us
This has been a pretty long winded comment, much longer than the one I posted earlier but I didn’t have the time then so I’ve had to expand now.
Oh well….
Ben, thanks so much for your input
I certainly do agree with the points you’re making. THAT is the advice that should have been given by Tyler, rather than casting his hatred on all other extensions.
Targ, you’re going to bitch about someone because they expressed their opinions on what kind of domains to look for? C’mon mate, was this blog post even worth while? Publicly bashing a person is disgusting no matter who they are. I know you have done some pretty slimey things in the past and no one has ever called you on them, so show the same respect to others. You lost respect for him, I lost respect for you. (Btw, I don’t know Tyler, nor have I ever spoken to him, so this is unbiased.)
*excuse any spelling errors above, because spelling something wrong is horrendus.
@Adam.
I don’t think Julek was really trying to bitch about Tyler as a person, in fact he stated he WASN’T going to do that, but of the poor advice which Tyler was giving out.
Considering Tyler has quite a large amount of readers I do think that such a comment was slightly stupid especially as Tyler did not even assess both sides of the argument and just ignorantly bashed all other domain extensions.
Indeed Ben. Adam, if you take a look at my post and one of my first comments, I physically point out I am not making a post to ‘bash’ Tyler Cruz. I have the right to hold an opinion on any and all of what Tyler does.
This post was mainly triggered because of the flawed advice Tyler provided to his reader-base, though it was not only because of that, because of my loss of respect for Tyler and what he’s been doing over the past few months.
Julek - I completely agree with you. Although, maybe Tyler was describing the market of domains in the sense that if you are planning to buy and sell domains strictly without having an undeveloped site, then go with the .com, .org, and .net. However, Tyler will all the “professionalism” he has should have specifically pointed this out, obviously confusing readers.
Also, like you said, Tyler should have went in a more professional direction. Instead of saying that any other extension “sucks,” he should have said “If you plan to just buy and sell domains without development, go with the .com, .org, and .net” and not have put the other extensions in the dust.
I entirely agree Mike.
Who cares what advice he gives to his readers? As you said Julek looking at all the bad post about Tyler people are sure to know his advice is half ass’d or at the least bit un-informative.
And, I have to agree with Adam Hall. Julek you yourself have done many many shady things I can recall and yet you are pointing the finger at a guy that use to live in his parents basement and know has got out and lived on his own? Sad really.
So, who cares what advice, how much he makes you are just fueling his fire and giving him much more attention that the douche deserves.
Personally, I don’t think its fair to critise Tyler Cruz on a personal level e.g. calling him a “douchebag”, as I’m sure neither you nor any of the others have met him in real life so how can you judge him simply from what he posts on his blog ? P.S I’m not defending Tyler here, I would have said the same for anyone.
However, I don’t see anything wrong with picking apart his opinion
. He was definately wrong that other tld’s are worthless.
I never called him a douchebag, Zane?
Not you, I meant the others you mentioned.
It’s his own personal opinion in the end though and I think people just seemed to have jumped on the hate tyler bandwagon. He’s done well for himself when you consider where he was a couple of years ago.
As for the links at the top, mainly rubbish anyway, just driving more publicity to Tyler’s website.
The links at the top;
1. Vince - ‘Well, one thing on that blog made me laugh out loud (”fucking self-masturbation condo loving freak show”), but the rest is just pure hating cynical bullshit.’ Quoted and sums it up pretty well. Funny though
2. Meghan Schmuck, all you have to do is read her post to realise how ‘full of douchebaggery.’ it was.
3. Hardly a big loss on his side, both as bad as each other on that account.
4. Chatwebdev, well thats chatwebdev for you.
I wholeheartedly agree that the use of extensions beyond .com, .org, and .net are of value; however, it does take SOME amount of creativity to use them. Del.icio.us is the perfect example of this.
A few years back, me and some buddies were trying to start up a web business based on a .us extention. We came up with www.theworldaccordingto.us. We felt that www.theworldaccordingto.us was too long and that the acronym version was too vulgar so we had to rename ourselves.